Star Wars Episode IX (SPOILERS ALLOWED)

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Re: Star Wars Episode IX (SPOILERS ALLOWED)

Post by DblDwn » December 20th, 2017, 6:14 pm

JJ should have just agreed to do the entire sequel trilogy. That way we get three movies per one person's primary vision. Now we have JJ doing TFA and creating a direction, then Johnson doing TLJ and taking the direction of his choosing for those characters/storylines, and now bringing JJ back to conclude the trilogy the way he began it. Which is fine and all but how much of Johnson's direction diverted from JJ's?

Spoilers for TLJ to follow;

Did JJ intend for Snoke to die this soon? Did JJ intend for Luke to die this soon? Did JJ intend for Finn to be emotionally connected to a new useless character despite his still being emotionally connected to Rey? Did JJ intend for Phasma to be underdeveloped and, therefore, discredited as an intergalactic bada$$? Did JJ intend for Leia to be so powerful through the Force that she can diverge from the laws of physics, space, body temperature, and respiration? Did JJ intend for Ackbar to be killed in a blur and only referenced as such in passing?

He created this new mythos in TFA and then handed it over to Johnson and now is coming back to conclude it. Why not just agree to do the entire ST from the onset, thereby eliminating anyone else controlling the direction that his mythos went, and ensuring that one person, the director/writer, determines that direction?

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Re: Star Wars Episode IX (SPOILERS ALLOWED)

Post by Javen » December 20th, 2017, 6:47 pm

JJ was a producer on TLJ so he didn't stop it. Disney knew the direction Rian was going and didn't stop it. It's not like they didn't know a thing or JJ either. He knew exactly what he was doing. I loved what Rian did. Did anyone really know anything about the Emperor when he died? No. One should be able to create a new story that is not synced to the old in every way. Star Wars should be way more than about the Skywalkers and their friends and they were upfront about that at the beginning. It wasn't about the big 3. It was about new characters and passing the torch. It needs to evolve. Not so much it isn't Star Wars which this movie is.

Funny thing is did George have a plan of what exactly it would be after ANH? Nope, he sure didn't. ANH was made as a stand alone movie. The Last Jedi is more than the OT. The older characters were meant to be mentors and the new characters solve the problem the older one's can't. They must fail so the new can succeed.

Rian did something different and I'm glad for it. Who cares Snoke died? Snoke needed to die to make Kylo the main guy and go his own as he was stuck being manipulated with Snoke. Phasma dieing? So what? As if Boba Fett was something great. They weren't really needed and as shocking as their deaths were. I won't miss them.

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Re: Star Wars Episode IX (SPOILERS ALLOWED)

Post by DblDwn » December 20th, 2017, 6:52 pm

Fair points, my friend.

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Post by Javen » December 20th, 2017, 7:16 pm

I do think JJ has to tie everything together and he himself has said he will tie all three together. Now what that means I have no clue. But looking forward to what he will do.

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Re: Star Wars Episode IX (SPOILERS ALLOWED)

Post by Kapit » December 21st, 2017, 8:27 am

Javen wrote:
December 20th, 2017, 6:47 pm
JJ was a producer on TLJ so he didn't stop it. Disney knew the direction Rian was going and didn't stop it. It's not like they didn't know a thing or JJ either. He knew exactly what he was doing. I loved what Rian did. Did anyone really know anything about the Emperor when he died? No. One should be able to create a new story that is not synced to the old in every way. Star Wars should be way more than about the Skywalkers and their friends and they were upfront about that at the beginning. It wasn't about the big 3. It was about new characters and passing the torch. It needs to evolve. Not so much it isn't Star Wars which this movie is.

Funny thing is did George have a plan of what exactly it would be after ANH? Nope, he sure didn't. ANH was made as a stand alone movie. The Last Jedi is more than the OT. The older characters were meant to be mentors and the new characters solve the problem the older one's can't. They must fail so the new can succeed.

Rian did something different and I'm glad for it. Who cares Snoke died? Snoke needed to die to make Kylo the main guy and go his own as he was stuck being manipulated with Snoke. Phasma dieing? So what? As if Boba Fett was something great. They weren't really needed and as shocking as their deaths were. I won't miss them.
Sure seems like you and I are the only two here who actually liked the direction TLJ took with the saga, Javen :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by Javen » December 24th, 2017, 9:30 am

Kapit wrote:
December 21st, 2017, 8:27 am
Javen wrote:
December 20th, 2017, 6:47 pm
JJ was a producer on TLJ so he didn't stop it. Disney knew the direction Rian was going and didn't stop it. It's not like they didn't know a thing or JJ either. He knew exactly what he was doing. I loved what Rian did. Did anyone really know anything about the Emperor when he died? No. One should be able to create a new story that is not synced to the old in every way. Star Wars should be way more than about the Skywalkers and their friends and they were upfront about that at the beginning. It wasn't about the big 3. It was about new characters and passing the torch. It needs to evolve. Not so much it isn't Star Wars which this movie is.

Funny thing is did George have a plan of what exactly it would be after ANH? Nope, he sure didn't. ANH was made as a stand alone movie. The Last Jedi is more than the OT. The older characters were meant to be mentors and the new characters solve the problem the older one's can't. They must fail so the new can succeed.

Rian did something different and I'm glad for it. Who cares Snoke died? Snoke needed to die to make Kylo the main guy and go his own as he was stuck being manipulated with Snoke. Phasma dieing? So what? As if Boba Fett was something great. They weren't really needed and as shocking as their deaths were. I won't miss them.
Sure seems like you and I are the only two here who actually liked the direction TLJ took with the saga, Javen :lol: :lol: :lol:
Doesn't surprise me. Can't even have a decent conversation here like with TFA. Just negativity.

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Post by thepepgal » December 25th, 2017, 12:20 pm

Javen, George did have a plan for what was happening after ANH as the his first script was too large so he split it. This doesn't mean he didn't revise some of the story has he wrote the scripts for ESB and ROTJ. He also wrote a back story as an outline so he knew where his characters came from. ANH is a stand alone as he didn't know it would be a success. GL has said all of this in interviews when reflecting on the OT.

Disney would have a story arc written for the ST prior to the shooting of TFA. These aren't full scripts. Considering LFL have replaced directors and writers who deviate from their master plan proves this.

I found just as much negativity for TFA. I prefer TLJ. I will post my full review in that thread once I've had my second viewing.

The direction for Ep9 has happened after the death of Carrie. Plans to give the big 3 each a film covering their character's conclusion before handing the baton to the next generation now won't happen.
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Post by Master Magnus » December 25th, 2017, 3:08 pm

While I don't think that Lucas had everything planned out (making Leia into Luke's sister sure wasn't thought out until ROTJ), I still think that he tied the movies within the Original Trilogy quite well. The Prequels lacks somewhat in execution, but storywise it's good and ties in well with the OT. With the Sequels, there's no sense of direction and I don't think the two movies mesh (others may disagree of course). There was no overarching plan for the ST and Johnson finished the script before TFA was released (with IX, Abrams pitched the story after the release of TLJ). I don't like Abrams but he has promised to weave the three trilogies together so we'll have to see just what is going to happen.

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Post by Momin327 » December 27th, 2017, 5:07 pm

I liked how Luke referred to Emperor Palpatine as "Darth Sidious", his Sith title from the Prequel Trilogy.

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Post by borgmatrix » December 28th, 2017, 7:45 pm

Javen wrote:
December 24th, 2017, 9:30 am
Doesn't surprise me. Can't even have a decent conversation here like with TFA. Just negativity.
Javen, decent conversations can happen whether people like the movie or not. I didn't like TFA or TLJ, but I still love SW and love talking about them. That's why I'm here. I'm not seeing any problematic discussions here. You responded to DD's post above and he replied that you had fair points, as an example. I'm not seeing any lack of respect anywhere.

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Post by toVor » December 28th, 2017, 8:33 pm

I saw TLJ again today. As I expected, now knowing what to expect and not being affected by the letdowns of the first time, I enjoyed it more than I did the first time.

It was a good movie. It was not a great Star Wars movie.
It was a good SW movie, not a great one.
I enjoyed it. I was not blown away by it as I expect to be with a new Star Wars movie.

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Post by borgmatrix » December 29th, 2017, 2:24 pm

Momin327 wrote:
December 27th, 2017, 5:07 pm
I liked how Luke referred to Emperor Palpatine as "Darth Sidious", his Sith title from the Prequel Trilogy.
I did, too. That was a nice touch. On the other hand, I found it odd that he referred to a "Jedi" training Darth Vader, not mentioning Ben/Obi-wan by name.

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Post by Master Magnus » April 3rd, 2018, 10:00 am

Meryl Streep as Princess Leia? Thanks, but no thanks...

BBC News: Star Wars fans want Meryl Streep to play Princess Leia

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Post by Master Magnus » June 18th, 2018, 2:47 pm

It's rumored that Billy Dee Williams will reprise his role as Lando Calrissian in Episode IX: Fanthatracks

I do hope that to be true. I guess we'll know soon enough as filming is set to start next month.

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Post by borgmatrix » June 20th, 2018, 9:01 am

Master Magnus wrote:
June 18th, 2018, 2:47 pm
I do hope that to be true. I guess we'll know soon enough as filming is set to start next month.
Though based on the treatment the OT has gotten thus far in these new Episodes, I'm kind of worried about him.

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Post by Master Magnus » June 20th, 2018, 10:40 am

borgmatrix wrote:
June 20th, 2018, 9:01 am
Master Magnus wrote:
June 18th, 2018, 2:47 pm
I do hope that to be true. I guess we'll know soon enough as filming is set to start next month.
Though based on the treatment the OT has gotten thus far in these new Episodes, I'm kind of worried about him.
You have a point.

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